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meika loofs samorzewski's avatar

Thanks for that prior art of Łobaczewski. I've been wondering about this exactly for some years. (Yes everything Trump 2 has done has been on my radar).

We humans appear to have a way to police the baboon-like antics of sub-dom narcissists (Orban's mouse to Putin's lion for example) among us, but it is only taken in direct action when every other possible method is exhausted, often those methods are already subverted. It is no wonder that Łobaczewski has already poisoned the well in this regard. They are parasites on our emphatic abilities to world our lives into existence, and their existence is somewhat of a curious example of our success at surviving them, but why schoolgirls should die in Iran because of that erstwhile success is beyond me. Where is the order of which they speak?

The error or 'corruption' in Łobaczewski case would appear to be that slip from nurturing/policing to disease/unholiness/eradication which is the give away for narcissists preference to binarise all human activities. It's never a pathology, it's always naughty boys.

One issue is that the correction of narcissism (without it the dark triad is nothing) might not be possible within the span of a human life (if accurately defined in this way).

And this is the source of our moral issues to protect an empathic order by using means that a narcissist would not shy away from.

I hope the smarter angels of our nature can work that one out.

The biggest red flag of all is the narcissists focus on some imaginary social construction (tribe/race/ethnos/sacredness) to shift their 'pathologies' on to. Łobaczewski is a meta-form of it. Unable to see difference except as a pathology, that ready-made of our discontents, our dis-ease.

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Barzun is a bit of a grump. I can only claim anecdotes with regards to secondary and undergraduate studies, in Australia not the US, but 'frankly' none of that rings true, not a bit. My kids are doing more rigorous work than I did thirty years ago, no question. And absolutely who cares if nobody knows what anno domini, exempli gratia, id est mean. He even said they were mostly using it correctly. Mass education only came about at the start of the twentieth century, and I think most people would regard it as a very good thing. I'm not sorry that it doesn't meet some highly arbitrary standards that he has created in his own mind.

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